Thanks for the link, I've been waiting to see what these machines were going to look like. We were told that they were suppose to be available this summer, now they tell us October. One thing that I'm worried about, there are going to be two versions of the Copystar's, the full boat models as shown on your link for regular dealers and a wholesale version w/o networking for the trunk slammers.

This product released today. At first glance it appears that the 30 CPM model is only about $500 less than the KM3050. Maintenance cyle is 200K less than the KM3050, but the MK is about the same price. It also appears the toner is quite a bit more expensive.

We're starting to have difficulty with upgrade costs on existing leases with customers that aren't interested in printing. They should basically be giving the print feature away. After all, it only creates the possibility of the customer using more toner and maintenance kits and takes those revenues away from competing brands like HP.

You are right on about pricing, it sucks. I stayed up late the other night to take the on-line training so we could start selling these ASAP before I saw the pricing. Wow, what a waste of my time, why would I want to sell this vs a F3 when the F3 has Dual Scan, better yields, is heavier duty and for the most part proven reliability and only a $500.00 difference? Kyocera better get it's house in order with this one or these machines will be collecting dust in the warehouse. The stripped down versions (2540/3040) when they come out may help in the pricing area, but we will have to wait a while on those I guess.

The 25 ppm model is about $1,200 more than the KM2550.
Toner cost per page is a little higher on these than both the KM-3050 and KM-2550.

While this is a more rugged 25 ppm machine, I believe the more popular trend of the industry will increasingly be smaller, faster and cheaper. The middle range of large machines will disappear.
We will have desktop machines with a standard 500 sheet capacity at or near 50 pages per minute. Most offices do not even use 11x17 now.
Most of those that do use it now only use it on occasion and probably could do without it with the right pricing difference.
Kyocera needs to figure out their direction with this stuff. We need a combination of lower end, high productivity and low introductory cost machines and high end, low operating cost solutions.
Enabling higher speeds on lower end equipment gets more equipment placed in lower volume environments and directs the traffic to the most productive (fastest) item in the office. Additional traffic=additional supplies=additional revenue for us and KMA.

the 25pg customer doesn't care about total cost of ownership.they will pay 3-4k,that's it.with the xerox-global deal,kyocera has fallen asleep with their pricing while ricoh,canon and the rest of the bunch have adjusted downward

progoffice - what's the 'xerox-global deal'?