I though I start a post on technicians favorite copiers out in the field for Color and Black and White. This could get interesting. For mine, the black and white is the Kyocera 4050 and all the other mid range Kyocera copiers built on this engine. The color I am still trying to decide. Stay tune in a later post.

My guess is everyone will say Falcon 1,2,3 with some nostalgic responses too.

And probably everyone has their "least hated" kyo color box.

Falcon 2, if only it had colour scanning!

Falcon 4 aren't too bad either though, don't like the forgotten continuous sending option (unlike the falcon 2) and having to press recall every-time I do a stack of scanning, and the other list of specific customizations not been carried over.

Colour, I'm yet to be convinced...

Falcon 2

Again Falcon 2.

Falcon 2. Still haven't seen a good color machine from Kyocera.

While I also like the Falcon 2's, I still have a large soft spot in my technical heart for the Canon NP6050, I worked on sooo many of these, knew everything they could possibly throw at you, and they were the BEST analog machine ever made. They were the first ones that could go over 200K with NOTHING to replace. Once the new style charge wire and cleaner pads, and heavy duty tires from it's replacement were installed, the only limit was the cleaning web rated at 250k. Ahhhh the memories...

Best analog? Canon NP-6650 or Mita DC-5585.
These machines were run to death and kept on running.

I remember one 5585 with no Teflon on the heat roller at all, with no shadow imaging. Just bare shiny aluminum. =^..^=

Mita, digital or analog? DC-8585, had one with over 7 million before it was put out to pasture. Color KM? C2030 or 3130, because they were Minoltas and NO! They were not Konicas.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by blackcat4866:
Best analog? Canon NP-6650 or Mita DC-5585.
These machines were run to death and kept on running.

Oiy! The 6650!? Cat, my respect for you is diminished, ( Ok..just a tiny, tiny tiny bit ) while an ok machine for its day, you could not get more than 40k between calls because the charge wires would put the pepper tracks on the copies. While it was a good step forward from the NP7000, the 6050 was a quantum leap from the 6650, and sooo much easier to work on.

I would also like the throw the Ricoh 6045(I think that was model #, all the mid range digital s were later based on this frame) into the list also, a nice easy analog copier that just worked.

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Originally posted by drewsup:
Oiy! The 6650!? Cat, my respect for you is diminished, ( Ok..just a tiny, tiny tiny bit ) while an ok machine for its day, you could not get more than 40k between calls because the charge wires would put the pepper tracks on the copies. While it was a good step forward from the NP7000, the 6050 was a quantum leap from the 6650, and sooo much easier to work on...

With the stainless grid wire strung as primary, it was more like 80 to 100K. NP-6050? Are you forgetting about all those fused solid cleaning units? I admit that the RADF-D1 was a world class document feeder, but could Canon have made it any more complicated mechanically? The NP-8530 wasn't bad, except for the freaky Ultrex connector problems. Fortunately for me, I was the only one person working my territory.

Hmm, seem to remember a few clogging up, also had quite a few of the 6650's back up, until we made it mandatory to "whack" the waste toner box every service call OMG remember the size of that thing, it was the size of an office trash can!
I think the fact we can laugh about these machines means we have been doing this job wayyy to long !
Oh Ya, just to throw a chill down every old Canon techs backs, the dreaded NP 4035 color dev change unit, the one that bolted to the right side of the machine

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Originally posted by drewsup:
Hmm, seem to remember a few clogging up, also had quite a few of the 6650's back up, until we made it mandatory to "whack" the waste toner box every service call OMG remember the size of that thing, it was the size of an office trash can!
I think the fact we can laugh about these machines means we have been doing this job wayyy to long !

Oh Ya, just to throw a chill down every old Canon techs backs, the dreaded NP 4035 color dev change unit, the one that bolted to the right side of the machine

Those waste containers were huge! It took 1.2M copies to fill it, as long as you leveled it out periodically.

I only had one of those CD changers. The first time I cleaned the optics I managed to completely screw up the moving yellow lens in the optical unit. It actually comes out of there fairly easily if you remove the right two screws. =^..^=

Falcon series definitely for monochrome are the best even though "welcome screens" and "program loading" and F000 and CFB were/are annoying in the latest 2 series . For midsize color Ricoh beats Kyo and Toshiba anytime.
At least for now (the last TA color looks improved)but reliability...we'll talk about it about 2 years from now. So far nothing but trouble as usual withKyo color.